True Update

Saw True today.

He has still not been seen by the vet. I have been told the vet will be there tomorrow.

This is a pictire of the largest wound, taken today.

True's largest wound 5/23

His dad is taking good care of him and keeping the other horses away from him.

If this injury occurred to a horse in your care would you call a vet? Waiting six days for a vet to examine a horse with wounds on three legs? Or to examine Commander still tender on that front?

5/23 5 days after injury

My emotions are actually getting the better of me at this moment so I will update about True boy again tomorrow.

True's leg 5/23

The pen holding the stallions is less than 25% the size of the pen they were held in at the Broken Arrow. Today hay was placed in feeders along one edge of the pen. Empty feeders were on the other side. This created a dynamic where all the stallions needed to line up in close proximity to each other. We witnessed biting and aggressive behavior we did not see at the Broken Arrow among this group. Placing hay into the other feeders would allow for more spacing between these horses and lessen the likelihood that we will see a serious injury occur.

Seems like a “no brainer,” doesn’t it?

Bite inflicted at feeder 5/23

I got news about the IDA suit being dismissed on standing. Standing is a tricky thing and rather interesting when it comes to filing a suit against the government. The points raised by the suit have not been discounted… but the points and plaintiffs didn’t match. I know we will hear more about this soon. The issue of long term warehousing is valid… but not in that format. This was not a defeat… the field was never joined.

Lightning looks great…

Lightning 5/23

If you can make the advisory board meeting in Denver… please come.

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23 thoughts on “True Update

  1. cat Kindsfather says:

    Laura! I was stunned to read this, that he has not ben treated YET? That would looks nasty. This clearly exemplifies the need for more than one vet to care for all the horses! Certainly this neglect is not acceptable! OMG, you must be stressing. Thank God you went up to see them, and again today.
    This is so sad to see them getting hurt and some getting euthanized due to their injuries sustained. Best wishes for him. Sounds a bit crowded there, poor guys, getting irritable.

    Did not quite get what is up with the suit. Need clarity of the situation.
    Hate to bother Terri, but sure she would know exactly. Just wait it out I guess.

    Stay strong and TRUE!!! Blessings!

    • Laura Leigh says:

      The suit was not heard based on standing of the plaintiffs. The judge also felt the suit was moot. Meaning the gather had already taken place so therefore not valid. (Even though it was the court that did not grant an injunction thereby allowing the gather).
      So the merits of the case were not ruled on.

  2. sandra longley says:

    basicly ,the judge stated that removing the horses to longterm holding did not injure the plaintiffs..therefore they had no standing( his perception is that the public is allowed to view those horses)..HOWEVER..the public is not allowed to enter those premises or visit or enjoy those horses, we don’t even know where they are located and are moved periodocally..so I would take exception to his finding of no standing..He is apparently uninformed as to what-long term holding entails.

  3. sandra longley says:

    The photo did not seem to show profuse bleeding on leg so it looks like a suferficial skinning injury, not anything that could be stiched. The V injury will probably leave a bump, does not appear to be muscle or tendon injuries or deep lacerations

    • Laura Leigh says:

      There was a blood trail down to his hoof on Saturday. The wound happened during transport that I was told happened on Wed.
      I certainly hope that there would be no “profuse” bleeding three days later…

      I have seen the injury.
      At this point the skin has folded in… most likely can’t be stitched.
      But we wont know if it ever could have been because the vet still hasn’t seen the wound.
      This wound will be viewed for the first time by a vet 6 days after it occurred.

      If you saw this wound on your horse your vet would be there in an hour.

      Commander is still not bearing full weight.

      • Suzanne says:

        You bet my vet would have been here within an hour. When I saw the wound, I would be hosing it off and screaming at my husband, “CALL THE VET!” My vet and I know each other quite well, and he know if I say come, he really needs to come.

        Probably can’t be stitched now, but the edges need cleaning up and something to keep the wound moist and prevent infection applied. Might have to sedate True, but so what? Just because it’s not fatal doesn’t mean it doesn’t need treating, to keep it from being more painful than it has to be if nothing else. How about at least a little bute?

        Lightening DOES look great. Looks like he’s not missing any meals. Hope he doesn’t be hurt having to eat in such quatrers with the other frustrated, bored, frightened stallions. Talk about a no-brainer – even for the BLM.

        • Laura Leigh says:

          Lightening is “in charge.” He’s the one doing most of the biting.
          : )
          The other dominate personality appears to be General.

          General and Lightening together in close quarters may eventually lead to an issue. General is being protective of True. True needs General and Commander… their presence keeps him calm.

  4. jan eaker says:

    I would not necessarily have called the vet, but from day 1, i would have used betadine and Wonder Dust to treat the leg, probably given anitbiotics as well, never would a horse of mine have gone 6 days with nothing done to the wounds.

    • Laura Leigh says:

      Having a vet treat that wound would have given the opportunity to at the very least minimize scarring. (In True’s case). The proximity to his knee… if you look at the tape and photo… would have given documentation of a DVM toward the extent of the wound. He has injuries to three of his other legs.
      Commander was not bearing full weight on that front foot on Sat., He was still off on it yesterday.

      Broken Arrow claims to have a vet out daily. PVC now has horses viewed “daily” by a vet at another facility.

      82 animals were moved Wed. to PVC. Shipping these animals creates a scenario where injury could be likely. A vet “walk through” should have been scheduled soon after shipment, not a week later. Considering a vet is “on staff.”
      If I ran a facility (and had a staff vet) with 82 wild horses arriving that were recently gathered a vet would have been called prior to arrival. Particularly to view the animals I was hoping would be the “most adoptable,” or that the public had already expressed an interest in.

      If I am managing inventory toward return as demonstrated by changing sale authority horses into adoption horses… then any damage to that inventory might decrease return. And in a high profile opportunity to demonstrate the care given to the animals… it would err on the side of caution.

      I would also place hay in as many locations as possible in a pen containing mature stallions. In the current location they are now near the parking area, trailers, working pens, and in eyesight of fillies. Anythig that could be done to minimize stress (like at feeding) could go a long way to minimize future injury.

    • sandra longley says:

      None of us would have left our horses untreated-and stitching has to be done soon or the edges of the skin start dying with the disrupted blood supply and won’t hold..If he stiched, the horse would have had to be kept in a small controled environment with limited exercise, lower legs because of the thinness of the skin and lack of muscle underneath and the need for that skin to move when the leg does- are tough to handle..I can see the difficulty with the wild horses in everything they do. T had one a 4yr stud arrive at her adoption this weekend all banged up..he was born in an adoption facility in OKLA and she was able to treat it as a ‘open wound injury” because she could handle him..I agree a vet should have been on site-with the amount of and seriousness of the injuries these horses have had..you would expect them to be ahead of and prepared for problems…what if someone had a broken leg or kneck and that certainly could have happened-would that horse have layed there and suffered for days?

      • Laura Leigh says:

        These pens create “limited movement.” Particularly at PVC. I’ll post a “long shot” tonight so y’all can see what I’m talking about. Too many stallions…

        I have rehabbed many abused horses that have a long history of abuse. Many of them were aggressive until trust was earned.
        They could only be treated between panels.
        I have also done wildlife rehab.

        BLM has a squeeze and a staff.

  5. jan eaker says:

    so, the vet DOESN”T come out every day, does he? and why can’t they put hay on both sides of these pens, and WHY were these horses moved so soon, for a 7-14 event???? this makes absolutely no sense, but then, that’s about par for the course, isn’t it?

  6. Laura Leigh says:

    My guess is that moving the higher profile animals to PVC relieves “pressure” from the Broken Arrow holding and will draw attention over to PVC.
    Particularly if intent would be to begin to “wean” the public off of Broken Arrow and close visitation.

  7. sandra longley says:

    A question, will the public be able to view those horses more freely now at the palamino facility. Or is it a one day 2 hour show as well?

    • Laura Leigh says:

      Palomino Valley is a public 8-4 m-f facility.
      The horses being there will give more visible access to the PVC horses.

      82 were moved.
      It is my feeling that moving the horses we have named over to PVC is a precursor to closing doors at Broken Arrow.

      • Suzanne says:

        Do we need to quick start naming the rest of them at every opportunity? I’m sure you are correct, and we will never see those horses again.

  8. jan eaker says:

    SOooooo, what does this mean for the Broken Arrow horses? All the rest that are there are going to go….where??? all the mares, new babies, all the new geldings, what will ahppen to them??? What will ahppen to these stallions mares , sisters, brothers, children?????
    From my filly’s papers, Sanford is the PVC vet, as well as the Broken Arrow vet,

  9. sandra longley says:

    it is my understanding the BLM moved the horses that had the most public interest in adoption as the first bunch to go..so it is a double edged sword..having a poster child for the wild horses..has its benifits and drawbacks..It seems like a good thing for the future of these specifically older studs to be adopted out rather than face a lifetime in long term holding until they die..Maybe we could pick out some of these other older horses to focus on -mares and studs..and do the same for them to try and get the public interested in them as well.

    • Laura Leigh says:

      I know… in one respect it offers the protection of title after a year.
      However the BLM has stared offering incentives such as a reimbursement of $500 after a year. A small family with a few horses $500. is a nice gesture. To a “facility” that may see “auction, slaughter” as a viable way to dispose of surplus it covers first year cost.

      My hope was to generate interest in adoption… but it is beginning to feel like supporting a feedlot rescue.

    • Andrea nix says:

      Just curious how the average horse person handles a new, older wild stallion at home? How are their dispositions and manners?
      If they are intact, does that mean some of their unique, heritage genes might still be passed on? Not in the way nature would intended, but worth keeping track of maybe? In case they ever need those specialized traits that help them survive freely?

  10. Andrea nix says:

    Forget about the wounds to their bodies. They hardly care about those themselves. It’s the wounds to their hearts. Look in the eyes. Look INSIDE the neck, shoulders to the chest and heart. Their souls are tense, joyless, angry, waiting and expecting release- because it’s a possibility and the only one most of them want.

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