Another Foal dies

Euthanized at the Broken Arrow

I was able to visit the horses at the Broken Arrow again. Many of these horses I have not seen in months.

I wanted to write to you about the experience of seeing these horses again. I entered the facility and expressed a desire to write about the adoption event… and one of the first horses I saw was wearing a tag on his head. Almost a gesture representing a “hey… get me out of here.”

"Get me outta here!"

I had an amazing reunion with some of the younger horses… that have grown so much since I saw them last. One by one a small group came up to say hello and I even got my head nibbled….

"Hello" (Elyse Gardner)

I had an amazing moment seeing General, Commander and True… I will save that for another day.

But instead I get to share that yet another foal has died.

At the end of the tour we observed an emaciated foal. The little thing appeared dehydrated and weak. The mare was present and attentive. She appeared to have very little milk.

She was also one of the mares that had been treated with PZP and released in CA.

The baby was euthanized after we left.

Mare and foal, foal euthanized (Craig Downer)

I spoke with Dean Bolstad today and he was genuinely concerned that this foal was allowed to get to the state it was in before intervention. We discussed the many “reasons” that this could have happened but he was in agreement that it shouldn’t have happened at all.

However we now have another birth and death that will not appear in any record.

So I leave with more questions…

Is PZP associated with a higher incidence of spontaneous abortion? Is it associated with a higher mortality rate to foals?

We will be told “no.” But the truth is that there is no statistical record kept. Studies on “sanctuary” horses are not studies on wild bands. Wild bands that deal with compound stress issues such as those that occur during round up are NOT the same as a controlled group in sanctuary… so don’t even try to convince me.

We are still waiting for the basic numbers of age, sex, etc. on this gather. Apparently the guy that enters the data needed help…. and then the help needs to be checked…. and then….

We are promised the data this week.

The vet at the Broken Arrow has appeared to need an assistant or two since day one. Why are these missed issues still occurring? Are there too many horses at the facility? Too little staff? Too hot to walk the pens?

I am very tired and have much to accomplish in the next few days. I will post more tomorrow.

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47 thoughts on “Another Foal dies

  1. Anna says:

    “another Mustang bites the dust? this time a bay foal?
    when i said; the BLM does not bring hay to sick weak or downed Mustangs…i was right !
    here is your proof; THERE ARE NO WORDS TO DESRIBE HOW SHAMEFUL TO SEE OUR OWN GOVERNMENT…

    STARVING a FOAL; IS THERE A LACK OF HAY? I don’t get it !
    how could a Foal Starve in front of the BLM staff and Vet ?

    How could a Foal starve in front of millions of us citizens?

    • sandra longley says:

      A foals digestive system at that age cannot process hay..Hay to the foal has nothing to do with it…The mare did not come to her milk. This happens in some mares..for a variety of reasons..What there is no excuse for is allowing it to deteriate..The foal should have been placed with someone who takes care of orphan foals..Remember wild horses only have a 20% live foal rate to reproductive age..that means in the wild 80% of foals do not survive..where as in a domestic breeding program..you would expect a 90% live foal rate.

    • savewildhorses says:

      This baby was just born and needed mama’s milk. But she still starved right under their noses.

  2. Anna says:

    Question: re: The Thin Foal who sunk the BLM Warship !

    This Foal is suffering from: malnutrition caused by “lack of calories; and lack of nutritious Hay…

    so the question is; Why didn’t the BLM try to give this Foal Pellets and water and try to refeed her with Foal Lack Pellets which are special nutrious pellets for Foals with special milk;

    Why did the BLM not make a effort to save this young foal?

    I have seen pix of equine thinner than that who were “refed; and lived long happy lives at rescues; they shot this thin foal?

    and even though another foal has “bitten the Fallon dust…

    the BLM has; imo; incurred another “indiciton for themselves!

    TO THE BLM: “THIS IS THE END…MY FRIENDS; You are history!

  3. Anna says:

    Laura wrote:

    At the end of the tour we observed an emaciated foal. The little thing appeared dehydrated and weak. The mare was present and attentive. She appeared to have very little milk.

    She was also one of the mares that had been treated with PZP and released in CA.

    The baby was euthanized after we left.

    Question: what is meant by ” she was one of the mares treated with PZP and releases in CA…

    a. what is CA ?
    b. and is she was released; what is she doing @ Fallon ?

    Does the BLM acutally trap Mustangs; release; then re-trap? that would be like “a recurring nightmere for them !

    THE ROUNDUPS HAVE GOT TO BE STOPPED ASAP IE TODAY!

    THE ROUNDUPS ARE TOO UNFAIR TO THE MUSTANGS ! !

    THE ROUNDUPS INJURE HARM AND DESTROY MUSTANGS !

    THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF PROTECTING THEM…SUMMARY:

    THE BLM DOES NOT PROTECT AMERICA’S MUSTANGS ! imo

  4. Anna says:

    summary: like I have been saying since January:

    the blm causes malnutrition by giving low quality Hay and making this Hay or any other Hay Inaccessible to weak or sick Mustangs; and the BLM DOES NOT BRING HAY TO THEM

    IF a mustang cannot walk to the feeder; the mustang does not eat; the blm does not bring them Hay…so as I have said

    FALLON NV IS LIKE A MINI THREE STRIKES RANCH; imoAnna

  5. Jan Eaker says:

    Anna, CA is the abbreviation for California, this foal was too young to eat hay, his mother was not supplying him with enough milk, that is what the question about PZP was about, did this somehow cause lower milk production?
    If you look at his mother, she appears in good condition, as do the other horses in the pictures, so the horses ARE getting enough good quality hay. The problem appears that there are too many horses and too few people to observe them daily.
    This baby should not have been allowed to get in such poor condition, but bringing him hay would not have solved this problem, he is not old enough to eat hay, he would also be getting his liquid requirements through his mom’s milk, hence his dehydrated appearance.
    The mare had previously been rounded up, treated with PZP, and then released back into the range in CA. Questions are :how does PZP affect wild mares? does it cause more spontaneous abortions, does it cause mares to have difficulty producing milk?
    10 observers are allowed to tour the facility once a week for 2 hours; I have been told it is impossible to view all the horses in that time period.
    Did the BLM fail this mom and baby, definitely!
    Since he was still standing up, I’d like to know why he wasn’t removed to one of the rescue groups I have heard about out in Nevada to give him a chance to live?
    And, though least important, he’s a sorrel foal,

  6. Tara Bruning says:

    OH my…This foal was active.

    This little chestnut could have lived…it is so very sad that he was not given a chance.

    What did the BLM employees do now? Did they remove him from his Mother and shoot him?? How morbid. Why didn’t they separate the pair into a hospital pen for special care. They could have feed him Milk Replacer.

    BLM Laziness is the reason. It seems that the BLM likes getting paid for pretending to care for the Mustangs.

  7. Anna says:

    hello jan although I understand what you mean; I have seen MANY a Foal in MUCH worse condition saved with nutrients such as “hay pellets; warm bran mashes; supplements; cubes;

    in fact Jan; I helped save a Foal who was so weak she could not stand up (this was in 2005); she would not eat; so I wrote the rescue and said; give the Foal a shot of Vitamin B1 Thiamin (an essential vitamin) so they did and she stood up

    Jan this foal is not even lying down; this foal could have eaten

    I KNOW foals do not eat hay; ever hear of a milk replacer ?

    so in no way was this foal “too far to be saved; not even close

    the point is: the BLM did not try to save her; this is my cause

    the blm did not bring milk replacer or milk pellets…I have seen equine far thinner before and after who were saved;

    to destroy a living foal just because she is thin; underweight

    and who has no other diseases or conditons? this is Immoral !
    (i wrote the BLM about the Vitamin B1 Thiamine over 10x!
    the knwowdge of vitamins is “just too far over their scope of knwoledge and understanding; sanford not versed nutrition

    • Jan Eaker says:

      This foal was too young to eat solid food, he needed milk, either from his mom, or from a bottle, so milk pellets, what ever they are, would not have worked, this baby needed to be bottle fed; Have you ever raised a fola, you challenge people who actually HAVE and RAISE horses with statements that have no basis in horse raising, NONE

      • savewildhorses says:

        But, the point is, the foal was allowed to starve and suffer and no one there, including the vet did a damn thing. P.S. I have no horses either.

        • Jan Eaker says:

          I’m NOT defending the BLM, I am questioning why Anne is picking apart and challenging every statement made by 3 people on this blog. I didn’t say the baby didn’t starve to death, nor did anyone else, we all said and asked what was done to help this foal; and I didn’t say BLM wasn’t responsible for this; what I did say was bringing solid food and pellets to it would have done no good, make factual assertions not things that are not backed by fact. if you believe her, that’s good for you, i wasn’t directing my comments at everyone in general, I was specifically addressing them to her, as she specifically challenged me about things that I have said, things that I can back up with facts. such as the fact that CA is the abbreviation for California, if she had looked at the HMA map on BLM’s site, it is plain that some of the NV HMAs go across the border into CA, and so do the horses.
          She challenged eyewitness testimony and has been doing so on many blogs, instead of accepting that some of the people here do know what they’re talking about. constantly attacking people is not helping the ultimate goal of getting horses back on the land.
          Then you read all this and decide that some of us are exonerating BLM when that is not what is happening, people are trying to find out how this baby got in such bad condition so quickly. Might he have died in the wild, possibly, but as he wasn’t in the wild, those in charge of him and his mother failed them both
          I just received the papers for my 3 strikes mustang girl,(2 years old, born in a holding facility in Washoe near Reno, NV , 3 srtikes after one year of adoption effort(or lack thereof)travelled to 2 places here i the east and then wound up in long term holding in OK at the tender age of 2, already a 3-strikes horse. Pictures and more information will become a story by Laura Leigh,
          If you think I sound grumpy and are too hard on Anne, Anne has been posting like this all over the place, and not all her facts are provable, she’s been asked to verify statements, nothing ever appears as to where she gets her information. I mean, sarcasism is worthless in a battle like this, we must stay calm and cool and focused on the reality of what is happening, not some fantasy that if bottle of milk were laid around the pen, the foal would suddenly start drinking and eating food for which it is not ready,or that wild horses will suddenly let you come up to them wash and brush them;
          bLM is killing these horses,through neglect, oversight,too many horses, not enough staff, some foals that were orphaned or just not doing well have been removed to rescue facilities, we would like to know how this baby fell through the cracks,

          • sandra longley says:

            I want to add that many blogs are blocking Anna, I advocated to let her comment, and volunteered to try and correct misinformation -in hopes that her common sense would match the fact that she cares..but she just seems to be getting more radical and misdirected and her mis-information is getting to be legendary..I have EAs to address and research on legal issues that need my attention..Sorry Anna, I have no more time for this.

  8. Anna says:

    ps The Foal (a BLM orphan ) who got her vitamins shot 2005

    is alive and well today a good perfectly healthy mustang

    the one alive was in much worse condition than foal fallon; a.

    • Where were you? In CT? How would you know about a BLM orphan in 2005 unless you are not who you say you are? misdirection and misinformation that sounds familiar to me… i have thought this all along…. just can’t keep all your knowledge and experience to yourself??

  9. Anna says:

    Attn: Jan: hello u wrote:

    Jan Eaker (05:35:32) :
    The mare had previously been rounded up, treated with PZP, and then released back into the range in CA…

    ummm….so how did this Mare end up @ Fallon Nevada ?

    are you sure CA doesn’t mean Calcio Mountains; cuz if CA does mean Calico mountain this would mean…

    This mare was rounded up once given TPZ which didn’t stop her from being pregnant now did it?

    then the mare was released and then RE ROUNDED UP

    and the second time this poor innocent Mare was rounded up she gave birth in the pen and they the BLM “shoots her foal ? SOMETHING IS SIMPLY NOT RIGHT WITH THE BLM ! : (
    ps the PZP did not prevent the mare from conceiving tho’!

    The Thin Foal could have soooo easily have been saved ! @

    • Jan Eaker says:

      ANNA; CA is the abbreviation for California, this was from the original post by Laura, and gee, CA is right next to Calico, so very easily, this mare could have crossed from CA to NV, as horses really don’t recognize state boundaries. One of the posts from Elyse after the roundup stated that they thought the remaining horses had gone over to CA.

  10. Anna says:

    a poster wrote:
    This little chestnut could have lived…it is so very sad that he was not given a chance…

    anne’s comment: yeah; the little foal was relatively healthy; there was no injury; no sickness; not even weakness;

    just thinness; so the BLM destroyed a foal due to “thinness!

    they destroyed the Foal so no one would photograph her !
    THANK GOD someone got this pix ! blm your ship has sunk

    the blm was “destroying thin mares; now they get thin foal?
    THIS MUST STOP; THE BLM ROUNDUPS MUST STOP TODAY!

    or our gov. will be the laughing stock of the global world !

    the duty of the blm is to protect mustangs and burros ! anna

    • sandra longley says:

      IF this mare did not come to her milk then she did not produce colostrum which contains the antibodies needed to protect that foal for the first 45 to 60 days, after about 48 hours the foal cannot absorb antibodies thru the gut wall and would need a transfussion of blood to get that protection..the foal only appears to be a day or 2 old.

  11. sandra longley says:

    The most important question to ask..Did the advocates there that saw this colt ask that it be given to one of the groups that take in orphan foals.and were they turned down? I gather the data is not available…but is there any chance that mares have been given fescue hay? Fescue hay can cause a mare not to come to her milk…The mare is in excellent shape as you can see from her in the background..what is important here is to ask the right Questions to get to the bottom of it

  12. sandra longley says:

    I can see marks on the foal-which may indicate it was trying to nurse off of other mares-did anyone see it trying to nurse its mother? could she have rejected it? Perhaps the BLM needs volunteers who can walk the pens checking the horses.

    • Laura Leigh says:

      There are claims that the foal was witnessed nursing and that it had been observed days prior. No intervention was recommended.
      Dean said the vet was out daily.

      The mare did not reject that foal. She was attentive and very present.
      She was also PZP treated.

      • sandra longley says:

        There are some things in this picture that don’t add up..it appears by the condition of the foal-it never nursed..foals will go to a mares bag..that does not mean it nursed..and you could not get close enough to see that with a wild horse-you can tell by the nipples whether or not it is nursing you also need to watch for the foal to swallow to know..there is nothing cut and dried about it..a newborn foal cannot go days without milk..also in the video i went and watched..the foal is walking with its tail up which is an indication it has not passed the meconium..the first milk helps them move that along.

  13. Trish Kerby says:

    My two cents worth……kidnap a BLMer, tie to a tree way out in the boonies, and leave to starve…………………..

    • Laura Leigh says:

      I understand the emotion…
      but that’s not how we will get this understood.

      The truth and cold hard facts will change this protocol.

      It just is what it is.

      And we wont stop until the evidence collected becomes a mountain that wont move. In order to scale it they will need new “equipment,” new protocol… a new way of being is possible.

      Hang onto the picture of horses free… and hold it as reality in your heart.

  14. sandra longley says:

    The BLM had a responsability when they decided to do a winter gather-involving this many horses-with approx 50% mares, many which were in foal..to be prepared for-and have a protocol in place to handle any and all situations that would arise..once you took them off their range they are in your care custody and control..that means you are responsable..You know dang well there are qualified people who would have taken that foal..you need one person at a minimum-to be responsable for monitoring pregnant foaling mares and their foals.

  15. Jan Eaker says:

    2 more deaths reported on BLM site, a 2 year old from complications from cryptorchrid surgery, and a 10 year old, causes unknown, just found dead in the pen on Sat. BLM total 89, which of course does not include “Sorro” as Elyse has named him, and any other new foals who may have died. I know that many of these babies would have died in the wild, but they’re not IN the wild, the agency that took their moms off the range needs to have a better monitoring system to check on these horses, and do a better job of caring for them.

    • Anna says:

      Hi Jan:
      and thank you for the update on the “2 tragedies @ Fallon
      wow “89 Mustangs perished within the pens; from what?
      Jan wrote:
      I know that many of these babies would have died in the wild…
      Anne’s comment: RIDICULOUS ! If these Mustang newborns are failing and flailing in the wild…?\

      then how does the Herd double in size every four years?

      answer: THE MUSTANGS ARE THRIVING ON THE RANGE !

      not perishing…THRIVING; THEY ARE HEALTHY AND SOUND

      THEY BEGIN TO PERISH INSIDE THE FALLON CORRAL !

      Jan: if in the wild: “the foals have a FAR FAR GREATER chance of survival think about it !

      FOOD IS EVERYWHERE IN THE WILD FOR THE MUSTANGS!

      all they have to do is just walk to any field and meadow any sage plant any wildflower any native grass; hay and EAT ! so by ROUNDING UP MUSTANGS THE BLM

      “destroys their food source and then doesn’t provide Hay

      OH I KNOW THE BLM PUTS HAY ON THE OUTSIDE CORRAL

      BUT THEY SURE DON’T PUT THE HAY INSIDE THE CORRAL

      so this means THE YOUNGER WEAKER OR SMALLER STANGS SIMPLY CANNOT GET TO THE HAY !

      AND THE BLM DOESN’T BRING THEM ANY HAY !
      summary:

      WHY DIDN’T THE BLM BRING THE THIN FOAL (Sorros?)

      any SUSTINANCE ? such as hay; pellets milk replacer
      I will find out at what age a foal can eat pellets and hay!

      THE POINT IS; THIS FOAL COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN FED!

      but too much trouble for the BLM to “feed a starving foal?

      after all their big talk; they save mustangs from starving?

      gotta go; getting too heated up about the BLM.gov! anna

      • Jan Eaker says:

        Ist of all, ANNA, the herds DON’T double every 4 years, that is BLM justification for the roundups; statistics show that many foals born in the wild do NOT survive, a few years ago in the Pryors, the entire foal crop was wiped out from mountain lions, you are acting like WE here on the blogs are the enemy, you attack our facts and opinions, like you are the reigning wild horse expert, and you are doing more harm than good.
        It’s not too hard to find out the facts, for example: If the foal is already eating solid food when it is orphaned, it can be fed milk replacement pellets so long as it is drinking enough water. … so, as this foal was NOT eating solid food, milk replacement pellets are of no use in this case.
        When do foals start to eat? Most foals begin to eat with their mothers in the first few weeks of life. Some mares are nasty, however, and will not let their foals eat with them. Despite this fact, foals should not be given too many nutritional supplements. If the mare produces a lot of milk, the foal may be somewhat slower in starting to consume concentrate. When the mare’s milk production is only moderate or low, the foal usually will commence eating with the mare at an early age. At this time, the foal should be allowed to eat what it wants. Most foals will begin to nibble some hay and grain on their own at 1 to 3 weeks of age.
        SO< this baby, was way too young to eat hay, milk pellets, grain or anything else, I can understand your anger at the BLM, but you are taking it out on people on this blog who are more knowledgeable than you about basic horse care, foals and foal care.

  16. Anna says:

    Sandra wrote:

    this foal appears to be only a few days old…

    anne: I don’t believe that for one freakin’ second; the BLM Orphan foal who got the Vitamins in 2005 was 3 or 4 months old and was only half the size of this foal…

    IMO; the foal in question is atleast 2-3 weeks if not 2-3 mos.!
    so this foal could have been given pellets and or cubes ! @

    • sandra longley says:

      Anna-I am a breeder with stallions and mares as well as outside mares..I have delivered more foals than you have ever seen-done it for the last 40 years..Your Heart is in the right place-but your comments are off target.

      • Anna says:

        Sandra wrote; the foal is about one or two days old:

        anne writes; I got this reply from the director of a rescue: (point is the Foal could have nibbled hay…)

        quote: It’s hard to tell but I’d say at least a month…

        It’s hard to tell but I’d say at least a month. Craig or Elyse could have a better idea since they actually saw it. At any rate I think it could have been saved with lots of TLC. It could still walk and with fluids like Glucose and some Foalac, etc. it would have survived IMO. A good vet would have helped it.
        end of message…

  17. Anna says:

    Laura wrote;

    There are claims that the foal was witnessed nursing and that it had been observed days prior…

    this proves the Foal is not a newborn but is atleast days old !
    summary compare the size of this foal with the newborns!
    not even close ! this foal is WAY bigger than a newborn! @
    Believe me when I tell you; there was not need to put this lil un down; she could have been soooo easily re-fed !
    so sanford gave the Foal “shotgun pellets instead of Hay?
    WHO IS SANFORD? WHERE DID HE COME FROM ? A JERK !
    to shoot a living foal who is standing up and not sick ? DARN!
    ummm…they have Foal Lac Milk and Foal Lac Pellets; ummm!

    ps Sandra wrote: mustangs have an 80% foal loss in wild…
    ummm do you have a cited source for this statement ?

    sounds like BLM Rhetoric to me ! SAVE THE FALLON FOALS!

  18. Anna says:

    Sandra wrote: the foal is walking with its tail up which is an indication it has not passed the meconium..
    ps i will send the pix to an equine vet to determine foal’s age
    and if i get an answer i will post on this forum blog barndoor
    anne’s comment: could also mean hundreds of other things;

    Sand colic; constipation; lack of fiber; lack of hay; lack of colustrum; lack of milk; lack of milk replacer; lack of foal lac pellets; lack of nutritients vitamins minerals and amino acids

    could be a lack of betacarotene or a lack of Folate Vit. B9 !

    also…concerning the Rye Grass Fescue Hay which IS FED to the incoming Wild Mustangs for the first 2-4 wks. of their stay(source BLM website) and not only does Rye Grass cause lack of Milk (which I did not know.,..(thanks Sandra) however:

    Rye Grass causes (can cause) miscarriages; known since 1940

    so the combination of: PZP; Rye Grass(Fescue); Hay mixed w/sand; stagnent water; no shade; no grass; pasture; no salt

    MY HAT IS OFF TO THE FALLON MUSTANGS; YOU ARE STARS!

    and I predict THE FALLON ROUNDUP IS THE FINAL ROUNDUP

    and this means; ADOPTERS SHOULD ADOPT A FALLON MUSTANG

    because I predict the Fallon Mustangs will go down in HISTORY as being

    The Last Herd of Wild Mustangs rounded up by the BLM !

    MUSTANGS ARE KING ! (and the blm is “a piece of lying B.S.!”
    (there; I said my piece without one cuss word; ‘screw the blm!
    how’s that? well I AM OFF TO MY REP.

    and what sad? John Dean etal seem like nice people ! : ( A.W.

    • sandra longley says:

      This is from horse doc on the web:

      In the real world there are several things about the foal that will alert us to a shortage of milk in the mare. We will notice immediately the foal is spending all of its time nursing. This is not to be taken that the foal has a great appetite! The foal only needs to nurse a couple of times per hour to be satisfied. In addition, the poor foal will walk around humped up with its tail out. It has not passed any significant amount of stool, but feels like it needs to. During our exam of the newborn, we examine the rectum for stool. We know immediately what the situation is with the mare’s milk by the consistency of the foal’s stool.

      By the time we see the foal, it has nursed. If we find the stool to be hard and packed into the rectum, we immediately become suspicious of the mare’s milk, or the lack thereof. Occasionally simple impaction of the stool will occur, but the most common cause of constipation is a shortage of milk coming in the front to push the old stool out. Either condition will be greatly relieved by administering an enema. This should be repeated every four hours until the aforementioned soft, yellow stool is passed.

      Observation of the foal is a simple way to evaluate the mare’s milk production. However, our preference is to milk the mare twelve hours after you find the foal (so this will usually be the evening of the first day). At that time you should find pure white milk. If you do not, start the mare on the oral medicine we mentioned last week. This will start and/or increase milk flow. Then you and your partner draw straws to see who gives the enema and who comes to the clinic to pick up oral colostrum, milk replacer, antibiotics, and tetanus antitoxin. We must not wait to see if the mare will start producing milk before deciding to feed the baby. By the time we realize the mare is not producing milk, the foal is already hungry, constipated, immune-compromised due to lack of colostrum, and on its way to developing septicemia (navel or joint ill). In addition, even if the mare does develop milk within the next three days, the short time you have spent feeding the baby six to eight times a day will help you build appreciation for the job the mare does! If you do not start the baby on supplemental milk by the second day, the prognosis for saving the foal decreases dramatically.

  19. Jan Eaker says:

    Anne, we are wasting a LOT of time refuting all your claims, which are not based in fact. Go the TCF website, if you don’t believe their statistics or the Pryor wild horse center site on foal mortality in the wild, then you won’t believe any of us, there again, in everyone of your comments, you come after Laura, Sandra or me, which is preposterous. Sandra raises horses, I have owned and foaled horses for 57 years, and Laura was just out at the Fallon facility, you are arguing about the meaning of an abbreviation for goodness sake. you are arguing with eyewitnesses, with horse people, yet YOU are the expert. Please get YOUR facts correct and stop attacking every comment WE make. Have you ever even owned a horse, been on a ranch, seen a horse foal? seen a newborn foal to even know what a newborn looks like? Instead of questioning our every word, do the research and ask factual questions of the right people. PLEASE

    • Anna says:

      jan? summary: the foal was not too young for hay cubes!

      i got seven replies from experienced horse persons:
      i got seven replies they ALL SAY NOT A NEWBORN ! ! !
      in fact i have been working on this project since yesterday
      i don’t see how Sandra could say this is a newborn !
      or Jan ! newborn mustangs are MUCH smaller than this !
      jan you should know ! so why do you say too young to eat?
      in trying to determine the age of this foal and EVERY SINGLE REPLY SAYS This foal is between 2wks to 2 mos.

      and ya know what is funny? the THOUGHT OF PUTTING A BOTTLE OF GIVING THIS THIN FOAL A BOTTLE OF MILK

      NEVER EVEN CROSSED MY MIND! BECAUSE THAT FOAL IS TOO OLD FOR MILK THAT FOAL NEEDS FOOD MON FOOD

      and he couldn’t find any and that is sad for everyone ! anne

      jan wrote: I have owned and foaled horses for 57 years,

      anne that great; but that is no newborn foal my friend !

      and the point is: Did the foal die? yes or no ? and why ?

      and my point is today and forever: not enough hay to eat

      THIS IS MY FINAL POST ! AND I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH A QUESTION:

      DID THE BLM BRING CAUSE 89 MUSTANGS TO DIE? Yes !
      THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE ! ps I am trying to STOP ANOTHER ROUNDUP BASED ON ILLEGALITY CONDUCT BY THE BLM

      BUT YOU PEOPLE KEEP DEFENDING THE BLM…WHY? Anne
      ps do not reply because I aint answering; the foal was shot;
      EVEN THOUGH THE FOAL COULD HAVE BEEN EASILY REFED!

  20. Laura Leigh says:

    Just want to deal with some of what is being posted.

    This foal’s condition was NOT deemed worth intervention by the BLM vet. Three foals were released into a wild horse group. This one fell through the cracks.

    This should not have happened. Especially since a “triage” of sorts was attempted and certain foals released.
    It is also odd that a foal was released the same week I begged for Hope to be released…

    This was not a case of the vet determining that this foal was “too ill” and left at the facility. It was not noted as needing any intervention. This mare and foal were in the general population.

    • savewildhorses says:

      This is not what Dean Bolstad told me Laura, Perhaps they need to get their story straight.

      “This three to four day old foal was nursing his mother on Saturday and
      judgement was that he would be OK and that he was better off with his
      mother than with a private care provider. On Sunday his condition had
      deteriorated dramatically, probably because his mother didn’t have adequate
      milk but he may have had other health issues also.” -Dean Bolstad

      The vet did make the determination that on Saturday the foal would be ok (what a walking skeleton would be ok with no intervention?? No fluids?) and then less than 24 hours later determined there was nothing he could do. Does this sound like a competent vet? I think not. If my vet was this irresponsible he’d be sued for negligence. He needs to be replaced.

  21. Anna says:

    SANDRA WROTE: the foal only appears to be a day or 2 old.
    ANNE writes: do not agree…I have written to about 7 or 8 very experienced horsepersons; including a Vet. and a Certified Horse appraiser AND a rescue of shetlands in uk

    EVERY REPLY SAYS; THIS FOAL IS BETWEEN 2 WEEKS TO 2 MONTHS OLD…Not one says a few days old or younger…

    JAN WROTE: Most foals will begin to nibble some hay and grain on their own at 1 to 3 weeks of age.
    ANNE WRITES: THE FOAL IS NO NEWBORN FOAL; THAT FOAL IS ABOUT 2 TO 4 WEEKS OLD IF NOT 2 MONTHS !

    SO THIS FOAL WAS READY TO NIBBLE SOME PELLETS ! (pellets are easier to digest for foals and are fortified !

    THINK ABOUT THIS

    YA KNOW THE PIX OF LIL ONE DAY HOW TINY HE WAS ?
    THEN COMPARE THE SIZE OF LIL ONE DAY TO

    THE FOAL WHO WAS THIN; ARE THEY THE SAME SIZE ?

    NO; SO THE FOAL SORROS WAS NOT A NEW BORN SO THE FOAL SORROS WAS ALREADY 2 WEEKS TO 4 WEEKS OLD

    SO THE FOAL COULD HAVE EATEN HAY CUBES OR PELLETS?

    THAT IS NO NEW BORN FOAL! AND SO IT BLOWS MY MIND

    someone who has been breeding horses for 57 years !

    AND THAT LOOKS LIKE A NEW BORN MUSTANG TO YOU ?

    i have seen thousands of pix of newborns; foals; I have watched videos of foals being born; I have helped save a foal; and believe me; that is no newborn foal and the point

    YOU SAY THE FOAL WAS TOO YOUNG TO GET HAY PELLETS
    I DO NOT AGREE FOR ONE SECOND !
    no offense; but are you people blind? can you not see ?

    SUMMARY: ANYONE WHO SAYS SORROS IS A NEW BORN ONLY A FEW DAYS OLD…i DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT

    THE FOAL COULD HAVE GOTTON SUSTINANCE; not starved

    I THINK WHAT JAN AND SANDY ARE DOING IS

    THEY ARE TAKING THEIR ANGER FOR THE BLM AND GOV.

    OUT ON ME

    HEY i DINT START THE ROUNDUPS SO JAN AND SANDY

    THE FOAL WAS NOT TOO YOUNG TO GET HAY OR PELLETS

    (PS FOAL LAC PELLETS ARE PELLETS WITH MILK IN THEM

    COOL OR WHAT ? (ever hear of Hay cubes; they are good too; you mix them with water for a hay mash

    believe me i never said put abottle next to a foal
    I KNOW WHAT SAVING A FOAL IS: I WAS UP 3 DAYS AND NIGHTS SAVING A FOAL OUT IN OREGON IN 2005

    THE FOAL SORROS COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED FOR SURE

    I WAS THIN LIKE THAT ONCE; AND i RECOVERED JUST FINE!

    • jan eaker says:

      Anne, I really am not taking my frustration with the BLM out on you, I contact them with my questions and talk with others involved in this when I get too frustrated about things, I am responding actually to the statements you have made about me and my opinions, you are entitled to your opinions, as I am to mine, my concern is and has always been, the horses and the treatment they receive once they are removed from the wild. I listen to those who go out to this facility and see with their own eyes how the horses are doing; i support them in their efforts and try to ask pertinent and kowledgeable questions of the BLM. ALL of the deaths that have occurred as a result of this ill-planned roundup are tragedies. These horses deserve so much better than this.

  22. Anna says:

    summary the foal was not too young to eat hay or pellets; the reason the foal did not eat hay or pellets is because

    the blm did not put hay or pellets accessible to the foal

    so the foal went looking for hay and pellets and couldn’t find any…so this is why the foal got thin…no hay or pellets in sight

    same reason the downed mare died and hope the foal did…

    sandra are you in favor of or against the blm roundups?

    curious in conn.

  23. Anna says:

    ps Laura wrote: It is also odd that a foal was released the same week I begged for Hope to be released…

    anne: you can say that again sista’ ! (your name is not willis lamm and you are not a male; so you don’t count little girl! lol ps I do plan to bring this fault up with my rep. only certain people can adopt foals and ps i will reply only to Laura; thnx!
    (so therefore no arguing or wasting of time; thanks again; by!

  24. Anna says:

    pps Laura writes:

    This mare and foal were in the general population…

    Anne writes: that is pitiful…so the only Hay the wee lil one could get was through those awful railings…?

    anyone with eyes can see a foal that size could not get to the hay through those railings; so the foal Literally “starved…sad !

    I keep telling people: The Hay is NOT accesible to every Mustang in the pens or corrals and I stand by this fact…

    no way could downed or weak foal or mare reach that Hay!

  25. cat Kindsfather says:

    Bottom line, there are so many horses and about 300 foals now. There are not enough caretakers or givers. One vet is not enough! Two hours per week for ten observers to visit, is not enough. And, I think we have had enough, of the injuries, oversights and deaths.

  26. Cat and I also saw this foal. Conjecture gets no where. There is not enough information and no necropsy? I have tried to save newborns and then seen them decline in their first week. That is what this foal was; at least a few days or even a 5 or 6 days old. He could not get milk. If he had been nursing the mare would have been stimulated to keep producing. She was not. There may be a physical problem with the mare from PZP of fescue??? Or the foal had issues which kept it unable to nurse although he seemed wanting to try… deformed mouth? He could have been saved? Maybe, other people would have tried. Were there offers of help from people? I think that the orphan foal contingent missed this one because it had a very protective mom. We are simply seeing how many things continue to go wrong when so many wild horses are taken off a range at once and warehoused in this unnatural manner. mar

  27. Anna says:

    sandra wrote:

    Remember wild horses only have a 20% live foal rate to reproductive age..that means in the wild 80% of foals do not survive..

    I had not read this previously could you site your source ?

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