Broken Arrow (Gelding Update)

Just want to take a minute to give you a quick update on the horses currently at the Broken Arrow facility.

Swelling (Cat Kindsfather)

I spoke with Elyse Gardner this morning. We spoke prior to her leaving yesterday as I had some questions about the gelding procedure. I asked her to photograph the area used for the procedure.

The answers given to the questions were very much the expected responses. Into the chute, inject with a paralytic, open the chute, the horse goes down and procedure completed. Henderson tool and cauterization is completed as procedure is performed.

Elyse reported seeing one young horse that had significant swelling. A few with minor visible swelling.

There currently are no plans to geld any of the older stallions.

Pigeon Fever Update:

It has taken me a bit to post this latest report from Sanford. Something like this was expected. It almost seems to be so much a part of the dance that it had to come.

Pigeon Fever WAS CONFIRMED by the facility manager John Neill. He said there were a handful of cases. The adoption event was postponed until July, adding as many as 60 days to the recovery time before adoption. That in itself slows down the race to the gate enough that any situation could be monitored and responded to.

The assertion in Sanfords report appears to blame an inexperienced public for confusing Pigeon Fever with Staphylococcus aureus.

I called John Neill, manager of the facility. Confirmation came from John. If anyone wants to “google” Staphylococcus aureus you will see it is transmitted in basically the same manner as Pigeon Fever. (Flies are one way the virus is transmitted however contact with the soil, hands, equipment can spread pigeon fever).

Panic that animals would die coast-to-coast was not an issue. However standard practices in equine management would involve isolating the population effected by either of these ailments. Call any boarding barn, breeder that cares about his horses, your own equine vet.

But at least this has been posted here to keep the trail of breadcrumbs in tact.

Observations Related to Pigeon Fever and Chest Hematomas
in the Calico Complex Horses located at the Indian Lakes Road Facility

Pigeon Fever
In January 2010, I observed clinical signs that suggested horses from the Calico Complex were recovering from pigeon fever (infection with Corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis). These infections probably occurred late in 2009.
A few (5-10) abscesses were still healing in 2010 during and after the Calico gather. Overall, about 2% of the horses appeared to be affected. No further abscesses have been noted. The diagnosis was based on these clinical impressions and since almost all the abscesses were healed no laboratory confirmation of the causative bacteria has been possible.
No complications are expected although recurrence is possible depending on soil and weather conditions in the area. Pigeon fever has been reported on several occasions among domestic and wild horses in Fallon and throughout Nevada and California.
Chest Hematomas
During the last month, an observation of a condition unrelated to pigeon fever has been made in about 10 yearling colts that have chest hematomas. For visitors to the facility, these swellings could be confused with pigeon fever.
The hematomas likely resulted from bruises caused by contact with the feed bunk. Modifications to the feed bunks are being made in an attempt to prevent this from occurring in the future.
The hematomas have been drained and cultured as a precaution. The only bacterial growth obtained from these cultures to date has been Staphylococcus aureus. This bacteria is part of the normal skin flora and most likely an insignificant contaminant of the culture. This is not the organism that causes pigeon fever and is not a contagious condition.
No complications from the hematomas are expected, and all treated hematomas are healing.
Richard Sanford DVM
NV #565

Phot Craig Downer

Photo Craig Downer

Here is the previous report that was posted on the BLM site about Pigeon Fever. If this is a “dance” then I guess this could be called the “dip” before the “spin.”

Pigeon Fever at Indian Lakes Road Facility in Fallon, NV

Veterinarian report prepared by: Richard Sanford, DVM. NV# 565

Corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis: bacteria which is found in the soil, is most likely transmitted by biting flies and has a very long incubation period (weeks – months). The disease has nothing to do with pigeons. The name comes from the large chest abscesses that some horses can get, which look like the large breast of a pigeon. (Also known as “Dryland Distemper” or “Pigeon Breast”)

Of the Calico Complex horses gathered from December 29, 2009 – February 4, 2010, approximately 2 percent of the 1,922 horses received at the facility showed clinical signs of healed chest abscesses from recent Pigeon Fever infection and .25 percent to .50 percent showed more recent or currently were infected with Pigeon Fever.

As of March 31, 2010, at the Indian Lakes Road facility, Pigeon Fever is still noted at the .25 percent to .50 percent rate, mostly found in the juvenile horses. The incidence of Pigeon Fever at the Indian Lakes Facility is at the same percentages that exist on the Calico Complex. The chest swellings range from golf ball size to grapefruit size. Fly season occurs at the end of summer. Therefore, it is expected that incidents of Pigeon Fever will decrease over time. Disease may or may not reoccur during the 2010 fly season based on environmental factors, such as temperatures, precipitation levels, soil conditions, fly conditions, etc. It is noted that California had severe Pigeon Fever conditions during the 2009 fly season. It is speculated those conditions apply to Nevada as well.

Horses housed at the Indian Lakes Road facility that have active Pigeon Fever are being monitored. No treatments have been administered to date. Abscesses have all resolved without treatment. No deaths or complications have been associated with infection. Based on 25 years of past experience with wild horses and burros, Pigeon Fever can exist in many of our wild herds depending on current year environmental conditions.

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26 thoughts on “Broken Arrow (Gelding Update)

  1. Jan Eaker says:

    it IS a dance, 2 steps forward, 3 back, side to side, it’s amazing, the original vet report detailing the PF cases has also been removed from the updates post. Have they always done this, or is it worse because so many people are questioning about everything? I am new to this(Cloud roundup last year was my initiation) so I don’t have a lot of experience with BLMese; it sounds like a lot of administrators I know(I’m a teacher), though, and of course, most politicians.
    I hope these young guys are ok, how are the flies out there now? I know that is a big concern, at least in this part of the world, the vets around here won’t geld, only emergency, in the summer.

  2. Laura Leigh says:

    I’ve saved the old report that was up. I’ll dig it out and post a.m.
    I save everything.

    It appears the young guys are doing ok.
    The one is being watched.

  3. Laura, I almost hate to ask for a clarification.. but, are only 40 to 50, under 4 years old being gelded just for the adoption, or, are they taking all those in that category and gelding them? If the latter, how many? mar

  4. Sanford is WRONG . Staph. aureus is a pathogen. Staph. epidermis is the bacteria normally found on skin . Almost anyone with any connection to the medical field knows this. So what kind of vet is he anyway ??!! I wouldn’t want him treating anything . God help our wild horses .

    • Laura Leigh says:

      That’s why I suggested folks google S.Aureus…

      If he were my vet he’d have been fired when he handed me a vet report with no treatment dates like the one on “Hope.”

  5. Anne says:

    hi

    a. sanford is going to use “3 different types of chemicals on each gelded Mustang stallion; ‘not just one paralytic; he uses a parlaytic then another type of paralytic then an analgesis (pain killer); its on the HSUS Vet. report and get this: Sanford says: he expects to lose some of the mustangs during gelding

    b. thanks for the clarification of staph epidermis and staph contagious; Staph is highly contagious…I understand @ Fallon

    they have had:

    Pnemonia; Pigeon Fever; Hematosis; Staph; and Colic !

    c. this is what I read on one of the BLM’s websites:

    What are the facility requirements?

    • Even though these horses are green broke, each horse should be kept in a pen no larger than 20’ X

    20’ until the animal gets used to its new surroundings and you. The corral should be at least 5-feet

    high and of heavy duty construction using poles, pipes, or planks with at least 1 ½ inch thickness

    and without dangerous protrusions. Barbed wire and large-mesh-woven, stranded, and electric

    materials are unacceptable for fencing.

    • You must also provide shelter from inclement weather and temperature extremes for your adopted

    wild horse. The shelter must have, at a minimum, two sides with a roof, good drainage, adequate

    ventilation, and access for the animal. Tarps are not acceptable.
    NOTICE THERE IS NO SHADE AT THE FALLON PENS or shelter at all…

    notice how the BLM says:
    You must also provide shelter from inclement weather and temperature extremes for your adopted

    wild horse. The shelter must have, at a minimum, two sides with a roof, good drainage, adequate

    ventilation, and access for the animal. Tarps are not acceptable.
    YET @ FALLON there are not any ROOFS; no good drainage
    not good access to hay; and they do not provide shelter; not even shade…

    so what I ask u what type of a gov. agency is one which does not follow their own rules ?

    a gov. agency should set a higher example than most…

    yet these have the worst living condtions @ Fallon of any Equine facility I have ever seen outside of condemned equine resuces: and I have seen pix over 1,000 rescues and the only equine rescues looking like Fallon were “condemmed…Anne

    to the blm…”your ship is sinking; time to bale out some h20
    (they know what i mean by that; I send them the facts about Pigeon fever from the merck vet manuels; they are off base

    • Laura Leigh says:

      Yes Anne.
      They have strict regulations for facility requirements to adopt. Yet most of those requirements are not met within their own facility.

      The drugs used during the gelding process are rather standard for gelding. Particularly in such a large setting, so is the procedure. It was not a surprise, nor one that I personally have particular issue with.

      Complications would be expected in a very small portion of the younger horses. The risk for complications will go way up when we deal with the older horses. They are the ones I’m worried about.

      The protocol that removed such a large population in an area that is currently going to be part of the MegaPlex, that may have gathered horses from neighboring areas is something I have a “big” issue with.

      The delay of the adoption event until June should give enough time to determine the course of either Pigeon Fever or S. Aureus. The reason (spin) they want to provide for that decision is rather meaningless in the big picture.

  6. Anne says:

    I imagine the reason they geld the younger ones is:

    they intend to put the older stallions back on the range

    this way the ungelded stallions will “mate with the unfixed mares on the range…so in about 3 or 4 years

    there will be another 2 or 3 thousand mustangs…then the BLM will throw their hands up in the air and say…

    geezus; where the heck all des mustangs comin’ from man?

    duh I wonder…maybe the BLM breeds the Wild Mustangs by putting stallions back

    like a secret wild mustang puppy mill breeding scheme;

    I say this; because Wild Mustangs do NOT breed like jack rabbits;

    the reason they are over breeding IS THE VERY MANAGEMENT PLAN THE BLM HAS IN PLACE

    WHERE THEY BREED WILD MUSTANGS IN THE WILD

    if not

    why do they put back any stallions at all ?

    THERE ARE ENUF STALLIONS ARE THERE TO KEEP A HERD GOING:

    How many Mares could one Stallion mate with ?

    TOO many stallions causes OVER BREEDING; the BLM does…

  7. Anne says:

    the 3 strikes clause has got to go asap; this is the equivalant to giving lost pets such as dogs and cats just a few days to find a home; the Mustangs hooves get soft due to

    on the plain they galloped on rocks and cliffs hard earth etc

    in the pens they walk on soft mushy straw mixed with sand and hay; pee and droppings;

    they stand on wet straw; this causes hoof damage;

    this in itself; keeping a Mustang on soft wet turf

    is a violation of keeping a mustang dry from the rain..Anne ps the blm constantly incriminates themselves

    a. changed photos of “mare at gather (Trooper’s mom…
    b. changed story of Pigeon fever to hemotosas sp.
    c. say orchard hay may be low in nutrition; but give anyway
    (source HSUS vet report; that hsus vet is kinda strange too!

    Praying for the Mustangs being gelded; thank you…amen;A

    • Laura Leigh says:

      Orchard grass, or any other grass hay, is actually preferred for Mustangs and most draft breeds. Current nutritional studies show it may actually be better for all equines.
      Hay that is too rich, like alfalfa, can cause many issues.

      Yes… the constant change of story creates a “playing field” that constantly changes. This game is one of the ways, it seems, BLM gets so many to just “throw up their hands” and walk away.
      Ain’t gonna happen here.

  8. Jan Eaker says:

    BLM has finally met their match, I believe, we are NOT giving up, getting tired or going away,
    Anne, all reports say this hay is good, quality hay, the problem is, I think, that it took some of these horses longer to adjust to the dietary change than others.
    Laura, do you know if the older stallions will be gelded if they are NOT returned to the range?
    It is similar in dogs, I volunteer with a rescue, puppies and young dogs have very little problems with neutering surgery, the older guys have a much longer recovery, have much more pain, and a greater chance for infections and other complications.

  9. Anna says:

    If the Orchard Hay is so great ? (long reply…Anne 1951…

    then why did 79 Mustangs perish in less than 90 days ?

    whereas before the roundup they were healthy proven:

    If the Mustangs were not healthy before the roundup…

    could they have made the 15 mile trek ?
    so they got unhealthy once they got into the pens…

    the major factor in the mustangs going downhill is: imo
    (studying nutrition for decades; my no.1 and only experitse

    The forage they were eating in the wild was

    tough; fiberous; thorny; shrubby; woody; dried nutritious “native grasses; native cactus; native wild flowers; herbs; tubers (roots); seeds; berries; leaves; bark…

    there are nine native grasses growing in Nevada plains etc
    and there are literally hundreds of wild species of shrubs;
    (I guesstimate they were eating about 40 dif. types of plant
    the Wild Mustangs WERE eating so many different WILD NATIVE plants; Mustangs were getting a “balanced diet…

    so the problem is: The BLM gives Mustangs used to eating:

    MANY types of tough woody shrubs; dried grasses; barks;

    TO ONE TYPE OF VERY SOFT NOT FIBEROUS TYPE HAY:

    whether that be Orchard Hay; Bermuda Grass: Timothy Hay (preferred); Alfalfa Hay; or any other single known Hay

    would not matter; if it was the best Hay on earth; the Wild Mustangs will have problems with….

    GOING FROM 40 TYPES OF WILD GRASSES AND SHRUBS TO

    ONE TYPE OF GREEN GRASS…exp. the very green grass hay I see @ the Fallon and Palomino facilities

    for example
    if a foal was born in a BLM facility and was started on Orchard or other Hay as a single and only source of nutrients; the foal might do ok; (the mixed hays are better);

    but if a 20 year old pregnant mare was brought in from the Wild; and after 20 years of fiberous woody hays/leaves

    the Preg. Mare was put on just “ONE type of soft green hay;

    I DO NOT THINK THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ADJUST

    and they don’t so about 50 pregnant Mares persished !
    (adds up to about 50 preg. mares {Sandord Shot}; plus the 50 unborn foals; so that adds up to about 100 mustangs who perished due to failure to adjust to hay…

    and Yet they make no changes to the mustangs hay protocol such as I suggested to the BLM by email many x’s
    I told the BLM (copies to director abbey)

    a. ADD Rice bran b. add rice bran oil or another stable oil
    c. buy and give Hay Cubes (1″x1” compressed hay cubes)
    buy Hay pellets; I told the BLM; when a Mustang won’t drink water; put Salt Blocks up to increase thirst; I said:

    Get some multivitamin powdered forumulas or get some plain simple Magneisum and add this to the Mustangs water; this will increase their thirst and get them to eat…

    I further wrote and sent info to the BLM about how:

    One can actually ADD Morton Lite Salt…(50% sodium and 50% Potassium to the Mustangs water which better and less expensive than prepared Electrolyte formulas…

    the only thing the BlM did was put up wind blockers on the Hay feeding troughs outside the pens;

    they did not give the Mustangs ANY extra nutrients whatsoever;

    so its not the orchard hay per say; IT’S THE LACK OF OTHER TYPES OF FORAGE; LACK OF LONG STEMMED FORAGE (which I know Mustangs require for Fiber…);

    Its the LACK OF FIBER; THE LACK OF BULK; SUSTINANCE !

    for example: if i had been allowed to hop the fence @ Fallon and go in and mix up some batches of :
    Timothy orchard mix Hay Cubes with water and RBO (ricebranoil); and give these watered Hay Cubes right to the mouths of the Mustangs; by putting the Hay Cubes with RBO on a tray right under their noses;

    I figure I could have gotton most of them to get better…dr.sanford doesn’t give them anything;

    so its not the Hay its’ the lack of various Hays and combos

    and most the EXTREME DIET of just one type of Hay is bad

    would you put your Mustang on just one type of Hay + h2o
    I would add Rice bran; brewer’s Yeast (prevents and treats Cataratchs); I would add many different supplements

    Sanford uses no supplements or nutritons; UNHEARD OF !

    JUST PUTTING MAGESIUM EPSOMS SALTS IN THE MUSTANGS DRINKING WATER MAKES HOOVES HEALTHY
    Equine require high Magnesium to bond with Calcium; a.

    like i say: I wasted a lot of time trying to convince Sanford via email to the BLM to use nutrients…so 79 mustangs gone
    it’s like a “concentration camp for mustangs…my opinion;A

    ps if 79 Mustangs had not perished I would not be writing this; has to be a reason ! mustangs don’t drop for nothin “!

  10. Anna says:

    summary of above e-mail…re: 79 Mustangs perish @ fallon

    “it’s not the hay…

    it’s the lack of Hay…(and the hay strewn on top of Sand);

    it’s the lack of hay of various types of Hay and Forage…anne

    ps i have seen pix of mustangs eatin’ sand so please don’t anyone say to me there is plenty of Hay in the sick pens;

    cuz it aint’s so…(i have 9 videos and 70 pix show “little hay!

    I have a pix of mustangs standing in snow with NO hay ! pity

  11. Anna says:

    ps Jan wrote:
    Anne, all reports say this hay is good, quality hay, the problem is, I think, that it took some of these horses longer to adjust to the dietary change than others…
    sure its qualtiy hay but this hay is too different from native
    hay some of them did not adjust at all; and perished instead; this is unacceptable; if the dietary change of 40 native grasses to one type domestic Hay;

    is not the reason 79 perished; then what would be?;
    mustangs don’t just “keel over for no cause…and my point

    they do not give a MIX OF HAYS such as would be on range
    AND FINALLY The BLM gives pure GREEN HAY
    evn THO THE FORAGE THEY WERE EATING WAS BROWN TAN OR YELLOW (calico mts. are “orange brown and white)
    THERE IS VERY LITTLE GREEN FORAGE IN NEVADA !

    so THE GREEN HAY DOES NOT MATCH THE DRIED BROWN HAY THEY WERE EATING; thus CAUSING COLIC

    SO WHY DON’T THEY GET A MUSTANG HAY FORAGE MIX ?
    there are Wild Mustang Hay forages mixed one can buy !

    the Welfare of the Wild Mustangs is not in “their minds…A.

  12. jan eaker says:

    Anna, anne whatever name you are using now, no one has EVER said that 79 horses just “keeled over for no reason.”
    Orchard grass IS a decent choice for hay and a good hay for the mustangs, the PROBLEM is that some horses have a hard time adjusting to ANY change in forage, especially horses that have been conserving their energy in winter, have been run for miles over ice and rock in terror, have sweated through, and then are confined in finite spaces and can no longer roam as they are used to.
    It seems to me to have been stated in many learned opinions that the abortions were stress-related, I am still trying to figure out what mares you are talking about that Dr. Sanford “shot?”
    Are you reading the reports on the “mustang project? the updates from Willis Lamm? Elyse Gardner’s observations? Terri farley’s blog? TCF website?
    The concern for all out there right now is the gelding of the younger horses, and how they treat complications from THAT, and the documented evidence of some moldy hay bales being trucked into the facility. ALso how the PF outbreak is going on and what, if any, efforts are being made for those horses. Also, what is going to happen to the older horses that are not adoptable? All the foals being born into dirty, crowded pens; the amount of manure in the stallion pens and what will happen to these horses in the heat of summer on hot sand and with a lot of flies.
    What brown hay in NV are you talking about?
    As far as putting additives in water, my horses won’t drink water if I add electrolytes to it, I don’t think the wild horses would either.
    How would they give these horses supplements? just curious if you own horses or have been around horses at all?
    If you look at the latest videos and pictures of the Calico horses, they are all in good flesh, in fact, they are in a little TOO good flesh from lack of activity.
    There are many things to be concerned about with these horses, for right now,THIS hay is what they are being fed, most of the horses have adjusted to it, as horses do, they are amazing for their sheer adaptability if for nothing else. Sand IS a big concern out there, it is everywhere and In everything, but there doesn’t seem to be anything to be done about that right now. this is where these horses have been taken, and this is where they will be staying for awhile.
    In my opinion, we have to pick our battles, and there are bigger concerns right now for these horses.

  13. Anna says:

    I don’t get what your point is…
    79 mustangs have perished…
    MANY pregnant mustangs were shot by dr. sanford…
    don’t you read the Blm nevada updates?

    doc sanford shot about 50 pregnant mares with the foals inside the mothers womb

    so when the preg. mares were shot; the foals died inside the wombs

    are we on the same page jan ?

    hi my name is Anne anna annie ana aunt annie pick one !

    Oh you did not hear about the 50 or so pregant female mustangs Sanford shot with a gun ?

    wow ! don’t you read the blm daily updates ?

    ps I did not say put Electroyltes in water; I said put salt ! by!
    hey folks I am not looking for an argument

    the blm does not provide enough hay in the pens;

    jan wrote:

    If you look at the latest videos and pictures of the Calico horses, they are all in good flesh, in fact, they are in a little TOO good flesh from lack of activity.

    YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME !
    I have decided to quit all blogs and just deal with my rep.

    WHAT ABOUT THE HOT SUN AND SHADE?

    what about all the Foals who have perished

    I am not in the mood for an argument’

    they are your mustangs not mine

    so you go save them and good luck
    because personally

    i dont think those mustangs stand a snowball’s chance in hell

    they are doomed ! doomed ! doomed and done in for and gone and the little foals will never be back

    and lil one day only lived a few hours; this is not acceptable
    Jan just for the record; I have been a Vegeatarian for 41 yrs.
    can you imagine that ?
    for 41 years i have not eaten any “Meat fowl or fish…

    i do this ONLY to save the lives of critters
    so can you imagine the agony I feel
    when I read sanford has “shot about 50 preg. mares.?

    always good to get yer facts right is my opion;

    jan i am on every msutagn site on the face of this earth !
    and every other animal protection site there is

    like I say I don’t beleive in harming any animals for any reason;

    good bye ! and tell the blm to stop breeding mustangs out in the wild and then roudning them up and selling them ok?
    thanks ! you and I dont’ see eye to eye and I hate arguing…

    i am 59yrs. old and am so poor I ride a bicylcle ! toodles !(and my mother just died; have a nice day..la de da de dah!

    ps How would they give these horses supplements? just curious if you own horses or have been around horses at all?
    You can give the supplements plain

    You mix the supplements in with their feed; but since the BLM does not give the mustangs feed and starves them

    guess that wont’ work either; they could give them Rice Bran which has the B Vitamins

    they could give them Vitamins shots to make them hungry;
    if they can geld them and shave their manes and vaccinate
    they can certainly give them supplements

    I do not agree the mustangs are in good shape
    have you seen their feet
    well you have a long road ahead of you; I wish I could help
    but nothing i say or suggest is followed or taken seriously

    so many mustangs died who could have been saved; too bad for them

    not too bad for us but too bad for them
    PS THE MUSTANGS GET ALFALFA not orchard hay anyway!
    WHY DID 79 MUSTANGS PERISH? i know why…

    LACK OF HAY…I used to ride and take lesson; do not own;a
    only trying to help save the lives of mustangs

    ps do you know what electrolyetes are ?

    Electrolytes are Essential Minerals

    there are
    SODIUM MAGNEISUM POTASSIUM
    that’s all folks; summary:

    the BLm breeds mustangs in the wild then sells them for profit…the BLM is a “breed ’em; round ’em up; sell ’em scheme…they PURPOSELY PUT STALLIONS ON THE RANGE TO BREED WITH THE MARES TO OVERPOPULATE ‘

    TO ROUND UP; TO SELL..my goal is to stop any future roundups; good day!

    PS JAN I ALREADY SAVED ON FOAL USING JUST ONE VITAMIN ALONE ! but I dont’ think you would believe that!

  14. Anna says:

    ps doesn’t the fact the Mustangs will be standing out in the 100 degree sun without any shade bother anyone else?

    the many times I was in Fallon NV in the 70’s was THE HOTTEST WEATHER I HAVE EVER BEEN IN IN MY LIFE…

    THE WEATHER WAS OVER 100 degrees !
    HOW WILL MUSTANGS SURVIVE with no shade ? I don’t get it !
    Is the BlM running a corral to save Mustangs or is the BlM running a corral…

    with the hopes of as many “dying off as possible ? the latter!

    (i recall the day well; the day my friends and I pulled over in Fallon Nevada in 1974; and the temp was so hot;

    the baby was having “convuslsions; it was terrible ! anne/anna

  15. Anna says:

    to jan ; ps

    how’s this: you can call me

    Anne; Annie; Anna; Ana; Aunt Annie; Aunt Anne; Anne white; Anne wahpoose; anna wahpoose; Anita; Anny; Anneee; Anna White; ana white; Antly; antly Banantly; anna banana; cousin anne; sister anne; sis anne; or Ann….ok ?

    how’s that? is that enough names for ya? lol rofl what’s a name; but a series of letters arranged in a pattern?

    what’s a name ? nothing…just a bunch of letters…and besides Jan what I call myself is my business…just a name!

    the vibe I get is; those who do not own or have not been around Equine don’t count as much as those who do…

    not even close: those are AMERICA’S MUSTANGS any legal United States citizen is a part owner of the Mustangs;

    Saving america’s mustangs is not a secret club or cliques !
    Anne Vegetarian for 41 years; ONLY to save lives of critters
    well back to work; researching supplements writing Reps.

    I know how frustrating this is; to see Mustangs in captivity!

    ps i used to live in mexico in the 70s so i got called Anna !
    is that ok if I call myself anna instead of anne? geeze us ! a.

    • Laura Leigh says:

      Anne.
      I leave comments open on my page for discussion. Discussion allows people to express opinion and feelings and share data.
      No one is attacking you. You are entitled to your responses and feelings just like everyone.

      The hay bothers me when we transition to alfalfa. A transition to grass, IMO, is acceptable. If it is not to you that opinion is your right. For others to express their opinion and why they have it is also their right.

      The frustration at this process is beginning to be overwhelming for many.

      Personally things like the gelding procedure is not an issue for me. I have done wildlife rehab. I do have great concern for the older horses facing gelding in these circumstances.

      Please remember that as the outrage rises over what is happening to our horses take a moment to breathe as you write your Reps. Vent on the blog… it’s a good place for it… and take care of yourself.

      And remember the folks that post here care about these horses with their heart and soul and want this to STOP, too.

  16. jan eaker says:

    FYI, anne I wasn’t personally attacking you,

  17. Anna says:

    Hi Jan:

    Thanks for the reply; I just finished researching some supplements; I wanted to give you and others an idea of what people are saying when they say give supplements…

    they also have a “Colt Gro'” supplement for Foals and Colts

    http://www.admani.com/AllianceEquine/FortifiedFeeds.htm
    http://www.equinenow.com/store-item-5721
    http://www.victoryequine.com/flhawama.html

    Each Supplement is adminstered differently; the pellets are easy to give; the Vit. B1 powder is mixed into a paste; and literally given to the Horses mouth on a wooden spoon !

    Could ya’ see Sanford out there with wooden spoons of Supplements like Thiamine Vitamin B1; B-Complex Fiber?

    that would be a sight I would like to see ! thanks Jan; Anne
    ps my birth name is Anne; I use Anna easier to pronouce…

    ps I noticed the pix of the spoiled bales of hay…thanks…

  18. Anna says:

    Definition of Fortied Feed: has vitamin and minerals added

    Definition of Grain Mix: does not have added Vits. and Mins

    Key Line: Fortified feeds are much better for horses than grain mixes because they contain vitamins and minerals in the correct amounts and ratios for horses. (Vitamins and minerals added to feeds must be listed on the label…

    Fortified Feed is one of the best ways to give Supplements; imo anne

    Key Paragraph:
    If vitamins and minerals, [for example: monocalcium phosphate, copper sulfate, d-alpha tocopherol acetate (natural-source vitaminE)] are not listed on the feed label, the feed is a grain mix, not a fortified feed.

    Fortified feeds are much better for horses than grain mixes because they contain vitamins and minerals in the correct amounts and ratios for horses. Vitamins and minerals added to feeds must be listed on the label. Be sure to check the label on your horse feed. If vitamins and minerals, [for example: monocalcium phosphate, copper sulfate, d-alpha tocopherol acetate (natural-source vitaminE)] are not listed on the feed label, the feed is a grain mix, not a fortified feed.

    Jan for example:
    the nutrient known as “Copper ” is very important for hoof;

    so they add Trace Copper to the feed for this very reason;

    the Vits. and Minerals keep the mustangs healthier; etc.

    and recall; I did not say add Electrolytes; I said add Salt…A.
    (just adding Salt alone to the water will get mustangs…

    I simply do not agree “Hay and Water will sustain a Mustang;

    IF they are from the range; if the Mustangs were born in captivity maybe Hay and water is enough;

    so to go from 40 native grasses to one type of hay is N/G; a. ps the point of The Thiamine Vitamin B1 powder is this

    When Vitamin B1 powder; pellets or paste is Administered to a Mustang who won’t eat…the Mustang usu. begins to eat; and no matter what else; The Thiamin B1 calms the Mustang; and the thiamine b1 could be given as a “shot…
    (with the Vaccination…Sanford knows nothing Nutritionally!
    believe me when I tell you: I could have saved the Foal Hope; I might have been able to save Lil One Day; but she would have prob. required IV Thiamin B1; poor lil thing ! : (

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    • Laura Leigh says:

      Anne,
      Most of us own horses and understand “fortified feed.” Feeding a pelleted feed in the current situation would create a multitude of issues. Salt blocks would not.
      The horses heading for adoption in July will head to homes. In those situations their owners will determine their care. In those situations there will be options that allow the horses to be isolated at feeding time to deal with any “food aggression” behavior that may arise.
      Hoof care will also become an issue for horses as they spend more time with minimal activity. Those horses will need to be gentled first or run through a chute for hoof care. Mustang feet are legendary for their durability and overall health.
      This “breed” has also evolved to get “much out of little.” In other words the feeding regimes that would apply to other breeds often times are way too rich for the Mustang. Mustangs are also legendary as “easy keepers.”
      Be well.

  19. Anna says:

    ps just another key paragraph about Supplement;Nutrients…

    Fortifed Feeds are mixes of ingredients meant to provide the correct balance of proteins, energy sources, vitamins and minerals for particular groups of horses.
    In contrast, grain mixes contain grains and molasses, but not added protein, vitamins or minerals.
    Grain mixes always contain more phosphorus than calcium and usually lead to nutrient deficiencies and imbalances in the total ration.

    comment: Sweet Grain mix r bad; cause nutrient imbalance
    thanks for reading; I’ll be back but god only knows when; a.

  20. Anna says:

    Grain mixes always contain more phosphorus than calcium and usually lead to nutrient deficiencies and imbalances in the total ration.

    Grain mixes cause Nutritient deficiencies…

    Fortified Feeds “correct Nutritional deficincies; amazing isn’t?

  21. Anna says:

    just 3 comments:

    a. I understand Mustangs require Long stemmed forage; I do not believe Orchard Grass is long stemmed forage;

    b. I do not think the Alfalfa Hay the BLM uses is long stemmed

    I have been led to understand by the Manager of one of the biggest Hay growing asc. of the united states:

    An Equine must have both “short stemmed Hay (grasses or pasture;
    AND long stemmed Hay such as long stemmed Timothy;etc

    So by the BLM giving short stemmed Orchard grass from the range for 2-4 weeks; they cause digestive problems;

    because a Mustangs Must have long stemmed forage for digestion to avoid colic…and this is what I understand;
    so the BLM causes Malnutrition by not giving long stem hay

    c. I do not see Pellets or other types of Fortified Feeds such as pellets; cubes; clusters or cookie types; as a prob.
    this would only be for the sick mustangs and foals of cours
    my point simply is:
    a Grain mix is not necessarily a fortified feed; only if the feed is fortified with nutrients such as vitamins is fortified;
    sweet grain mixes deplet nutrients; so grass mixes are ok;
    vitamins to sick mustangs are best given by “a vitamin shot; such as this instance: if a gelding goes down @ Fallon and cannot rise up? rush over and give the Mustang “a Thiamin Vitamin B1 shot: (sold as a prescrip. vial to Vets.)
    then wait; and when the mustang stands up; bring him food

    a mustang recovering from “drugs…may not be able to find the hay railings due to affected vision…

    so HAY MUST BE BROUGHT TO THE MUSTANG asap; I do not believe BLM staff actually bring Hay to sick mustangs; I think the BLM “lets sick mustangs go with not enough Hay!

    well that’s my riff; my drift; my 2c; my say; my opinon; anne
    ps (i said my mum just passed away; acutally was in 1998!(takes me a while to get over things…lol); have a good ‘un!

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